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May 6, 2000

Subject: Component matching

Hi Wes,

As a long time reader of Stereophile, I have enjoyed your articles greatly. They are very informative and have matured my understanding of hi-fi sound to wallet-damaging proportions! I'm presently putting together an "affordable" and respectable sound system, but after reading through reviews and the like, I have come to realize that component matching is essential to getting a good sounding system.

My problem is the fine art of component matching, with the limited ability to A/B/C switch components, because not all dealers have all the desired pieces in one place. I have read that one forward component can be balanced with a more laid back component to achieve a more neutral presentation. However, I have also read that this is an oversimplification of the concept, because two wrongs do not make a right! What is your opinion of system matching? Can I accurately rely on the musical signature of one component as a countermeasure against the sonic exaggerations of another component? Or are combinations in general unpredictable creatures that make your guess as good as mine, and that only an audition can reveal the unique sonic nature of those combined components?

Thank you for your response Wes,

James Adams

Dear James:

Component matching is still more art than science in my opinion. You can spot mismatches pretty easily from comparing specs -- especially output/input inpedances  -- but finding those magical pieces that truly lock in to one another is still pretty hit or miss.

SoundStage!'s Standout Systems column tackles this very question -- and in the  next couple of weeks I'll be contributing a few of the system matches I've been blessed enough to experience. In the meantime, you might check the Archives on that.

Your logic makes sense on your system, BTW. Two colored components can't produce neutral sound, but when we speak of component characteristics, we are generally speaking broadly and generally rather than of deep character analysis.

And while you can't always find what you want at an audio dealers, a good dealer knows his lines and usually has some set up tricks and product-matching knowledge that is worth employing.

ATB...Wes


May 5, 2000

Subject: Car audio/home audio

Hello,

I would like to upgrade my car audio system as I take frequent road trips. However, none of the products offered by car audio manufacturers (Alpine, Blaupunkt, Pioneer, etc.) really appeal to me.

I was just wondering if you have heard of people using home audio systems as car audio systems. I have a true sine wave DC to AC inverter and a high quality alternator on my motor, so am capable of supplying a reasonable amount of power to home audio components without danger of a dead battery. I thought instead of traditional car audio I could buy a Linn Classik, place it on some sort of stabilizer, and put it in the center of my dash, and velcro Gallo Micros on each end of the dash (not sure where to put the sub yet). I have heard the Classik and Micros separately and they both appealed to me. (It may not be the case, but I believe they would sound very nicely together.)

The Classik is in my plans because it is an extraordinary combination of simplicity and small size (both key features for car audio) and the Micros for their size. Do you think my setup would work? Is their something even simpler that would still produce high quality music?

Thank you,

Allen

Dear Allen:

I get what you want here, it's pretty much what any audiophile would ask himself or herself -- Why can't you get the best of both worlds by using home gear in the car?

Basically, it's the environment. Between the vibrations caused by motion, the temperature extremes, the actual presence of fluids (tell you've never left the windows down in the rain) -- and did I mention the vibration problem? -- and you've got an extremely hostile environment to home electronics. Mobile stuff is designed to take it.

Let's leave aside the power issue -- I'm not sure that even a "true sine wave AC to DC inverter" is going to be stable enough for the Linn -- you're still asking the Classik to cope with a ton of stuff it wasn't designed to.

I once used a pair of Pentagram bookshelf loudspeakers in a van I used for commuting to Jersey. After several weeks in the van, the weight of the speaker magnets swaying back and forth had pulled the drivers out of the faceplate. Perhaps the Gallos would fare better -- certainly a lot less mass involved -- but maybe not.

Of course, history is made by folks who ignore the advice of the cautious. But I'd think you'd have to do so much reverse engineering and redesign of the products that you might actually change the very qualities that drew you toward them -- and still not adequately insulate them from the automotive environment.

I suspect that if you speak to a competent installer (a much rarer bird than you'd think), you can find a system sound you like that's up to the rigors of the automotive environment.

ATB...Wes


May 2, 2000

Subject: Audio questions

Greetings! I'm hoping you can help me with a couple of questions. My stereo consists of a Rega Planar 3 with Bias cartridge, the Rega Planet CD player, and a Bryston B-60 amp. Kimber Hero interconnects and Kimber 8TC speaker cable glue it all together. I've been borrowing a friend's Celestion SL6Si monitors, and they sound fantastic in this system. Unfortunately, he needs them back and I need new speakers. I've been reading great reviews of the Clements 107di speakers, as well as the Paradigm Atoms. My price range is $400 and under. What say you? Also, I'm wondering what you think of stylus cleaners. Are they worthwhile, and if so, how often do you recommend cleaning the stylus? I'm fairly new at tweaking turntables, though analog is what I grew up with and what still excites me

Thank you!

Wade VanOrman

Dear Wade:

Sorry, but as I said in the intro to "Ask Wes," I can't really do system recommendations -- besides speakers are the most personal choice of them all and you'll just have to compare and contrast to your satisfaction.

As a Linnie, I use green abrasive paper from 3M on my stylus after every few plays -- Linn makes no claims that this is ideal for anyone else's cartridges, but I can't see where it wouldn't work just about anywhere. And I use an electronic stylus cleaner for about 30 seconds before every LP listening session -- not to clean the stylus, but to shake dust and debris out of the motor housing. Michael Fremer swears by LAST and it may well work -- I just find that the more tweaky rituals I indulge in, the fewer records I  listen to, so I try to keep stylus treatments, VTA adjustments, and record orientation rituals to a minimum.

ATB...Wes


April 6, 2000

Subject: Amplifiers

Dear Mr. Phillips,

I have been a fan of your articles in Stereophile and others for a couple of years and hold your opinion very highly in terms of high-end audio. As a consumer and hobbyist, I find it is impossible to demo various high-end equipment and be able to compare it A/B. Therefore I rely heavily on reviews of audio professionals before I make major financial audio decisions.

My question deals with amplifiers, in which I am very interested in so far as design and specifics. First off, I really enjoyed your review of the Mark Levinson No.33H in Stereophile, which was definitely high praise for the amplifier. I just want to know if you still feel the No.33H is the best on the market and if its high price is justified as far as sound quality. Many amplifiers, even multichannel amplifiers, are offering similar designs as the No.33H in one chassis. Obviously, they have much smaller transformers and power capacity. How do smaller transformers and power capacity affect sound quality? Does it only affect the ability of an amplifier to perform down into the low-impedance loads? With efficient speakers would this even be a factor with many amplifiers? How important is the number of output devices per channel? Is the number of output devices a reflection of sound quality? And are they more important than power-supply size? If a multichannel amplifier offers a similar design to the No.33H (two mono amps bridged at output) and a similar amount of output devices, would it provide the same performance, only not having the ability to drive the 1-ohm loads? I guess, basically, my question is could the performance of the No.33H be matched by a multichannel amplifier with less than half the cost? If not, what are the major advantages of the No.33H that justify the cost and high parts count? I would be hesitant to pay such a price if the performance could be matched for less, as impressive as the build appears to be.

Thank you very much for your time and response in advance. It is greatly appreciated. Good luck with the new website.

Sincerely,

Steve Holen

Dear Steve:

That’s one hell of a complex question you’re asking -- essentially you’re asking where the magic resides. Hell if I know!

If it were simply a question of output devices or power supplies, I suspect that we’d have a lot more competition for "best amp in the world." Is the No.33H the best? No. For one thing, I’ve now heard the No.33s, and as much as I’d like to say they don’t sound any different from the 33H, they do. They’re better. And I haven’t heard the latest Master Reference amplifiers from Krell, which I would guess must be contenders, nor have I personally auditioned the big Boulders or Classés, to name but a few.

Basically, at the very top of the game, everything probably matters -- especially how it all works together. For those of us who live in the "real" world, there’s probably no real way to justify the extravagance of any amplifier aspiring to be the world’s best. If you’ve got the money and the desire to own one of those rare birds, I guess the satisfaction you derive from knowing you have it is sufficient. I get to play with them sometimes, which is nice, but I’ll never be able to afford one. However, I should point out that there are a lot of amplifiers not in contention for "best in the world" which would make me a happy camper, so I’ll probably get over it.

The other thing to remember out here in the "real" world is that there’s no one single path to audio nirvana. I’ve heard super expensive systems that I personally wouldn’t take as a gift and I’ve heard inexpensive, non-pedigreed systems I could spend the rest of my life with.

Personally, I turn to audio and music as a respite from the stress in my life. Confusing my worth with that of my system would diminish that, so I try not to obsess about it.

ATB...Wes


March 23, 2000

Subject: Bel Canto DAC1

Hey Wes,

I'm a 16-year reader of Stereophile and TAS, and am currently laying the groundwork for a solid part-time sales and consulting venture in audio and home theater. I'm on a crusade to bring knockout sound quality in two-channel systems for $5500 to $7500 that will easily equal the higher-profile brands at $30,000, and focus aggressively on getting music lovers who know nothing about high-end audio to sit down and hear how it's really meant to sound.

Congratulations on your new position with onhifi.com. May I humbly encourage you to please review the new Bel Canto DAC1 with upsampling, and perhaps the new MSB Gold Link with the same? MSB now offers an upsampling chip upgrade for their DACs. Most of us out here aren't at all interested in the "future" of either SACD or DVD-A, as there are millions of CDs we haven't even heard yet (not to mention the ones in our collections!) encoded in 16/44.1, which can sound incredible, in many instances, if upsampled properly. And although studios may go back to remaster some (but not most!) of our favorite music in one of the two proposed formats someday, how much of that can be expected to sell? And they probably be at least $20 a disc! They'll sell to a few audiophiles, obviously, not to the general public...even if player prices for a new format come down. Look what happened to Mobile Fidelity (R.I.P., they were here in my home town, Sebastopol). I admire the idealism, in a way, but, sorry, it won't fly. Upsampling is our genuine dream-come-true for digital reproduction.

I know you're very busy. Please just save this for later if need be and I will look forward to hearing from you at some point. Thanks!

Sincerely,

Mark Rucker

Dear Mark:

It sounds as though you’re on the path to a career that will fulfill you and make lots of other people happy as well. Best of luck to you.

I happen to agree with you that the subject of upsampling seems a lot more exciting -- and pertinent -- right now than either of the new, improved formats. Instead of a handful of new hi-rez software, it would give me thousands of hi-rez CDs to explore -- my entire current collection!

And yes, I’ll try to get my hands on the Bel Canto and MSB -- from what I’ve heard with upsampled digital so far, there doesn’t seem to be a downside, so I’m looking forward to finding out for myself if this is true.

ATB...Wes


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