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June 11 to June 16, 2000

 

June 16, 2000

Subject: Congratulations and a question

Congratulations on your new home and dedicated room. I have recently moved to a new home with a room constructed from scratch as well. Heck, I moved for my system not having a dedicated room, so I think that categorizes me as one of Wes' "Hi-Fi Nuts."

So now I have that dedicated room away from the wife and kids. Its dimensions are 15' wide x 21' long x 9' high. It was double sheet-rocked with ASC wall-damp material between the layers. It is upstairs and not on a concrete slab, but I had all the walls with 2x6s on 12" centers and had the floor double-plied and extra layers of masonite put down with a real thick carpet pad. My system currently consists of Wadia 27ix/270 digital front-end and a Mark Levinson No.336 power amp with Hales Transcendence 8 loudspeakers and Cardas Golden Cross cables.

Unfortunately my Hales T 8s don't really mate well with the room, and the bass is lean and boomy despite numerous attempts at placement. I'm gonna sell 'em. I currently have EgglestonWorks Andras for 30-day demo trial from my local dealer, and they are far superior to the Hales on the top and bottom, but I really don't want to settle on the first new speaker I get to try. I've read your review of the Andras about 100 times! My only concerns about the Andras are that in my room, to get the bass I want (tight and tuneful), they need to be 24-30 inches from the back wall (probably closer), and I like my speakers out in the room a bit more to improve depth, staging and imaging. I have no local dealer for Revel or Avalon (I'm in Oklahoma) and would love to know your opinion on the Salons and Eidolons with respect to my room and equipment and compared to the Andras. And by the way, congrats again on the new home!

Phil Barton

Dear Phil:

You're a lucky man to be confronted with these choices! I was able to get exceptional sound out of the Andras, but they are a speaker YOU accommodate rather than have it accommodate you. As you'll note from JA's measurement section to my Stereophile review, the Andra's drivers were in phase only if you sat a specific distance from them -- otherwise they were all over the map. This happened to work perfectly in my room in Santa Fe --- in my new living room, I'd never get them to coordinate. If your audition revealed them to work well in your listening room, you might very well love them.

I've never lived with either the Salon or the Eidolon, but JA had the Salons in his Santa Fe listening room, and I just couldn't hear enough of them. They are very special speakers. Ditto for the Eidolons, which I have heard at Michael Hobson's Classic Records studio, as well as at Robert Harley's old listening room in Albuquerque. They were focused, fast and detailed, while always managing to convey the innate richness of music. At times, I thought the Eidolon's bottom end a trifle leanish, but when I heard them in Classé Audio's suite at WCES '98, driven by their 1000W monoblocks, this was definitely not a problem!

Have a good time deciding,

ATB...Wes


June 15, 2000

Subject: Noisy Fan

My name is Claudio and I'm from Brazil. I’ve got a Crown power amp that has an efficient but noisy fan. My question is: Can I turn it off? Maybe I could use an external (and silent) fan. What do you think?

Claudio

Dear Claudio:

Yes, that is an annoying fan, isn’t it? But I wouldn’t remove it if I were you, even if you were going to add an external fan. Maybe it’s because of my college minor in recreational pharmacology, but I just don’t trust myself to remember to do things like turn on fans every time I listen. Consider a sound-deadening enclosure, such as the ones offered for noisy computer printers, or think about banishing the Crown to an equipment closet or remote location.

ATB...Wes


June 13, 2000

Subject: Upsampling

Hola Wes...congratulations and thanks your site is great and very informative, especially the "Ask Wes" section.

I have a doubt about upsampling and want to know more about it in view that it is the next "toy" in the avenue. There are many people talking about it, but, as in everything else, too many thoughts that sometimes look more like a fight than a thoughtful discussion.

Given a "Y" transport (dedicated/CD player/DVD) with a "Z" resolution (16/44.1, 24/96, or anything in between ) feeding an external DAC "X" and the addition of an "XY" upsampling device (e.g. Bel Canto, Birdland, MSB, EVS, etc.), how is it possible to add to a red book CD the other bits truncated in the pressing process? If you compress 24 bits of information to 16 and cut the frequencies, how would an upsampling device add the missing information in a reliable manner as to not add colorations or other artifacts? Say it really does upsample, where would the effects be noticeable? Soundstage, highs extensions, deeper bass?

Wes, excuse me if I don't express my doubts in an understandable way, but I think you get my point. "Once gone, no way back."

Thanks again Wes.

Best regards,

Jose Garcia.

Dear Jose:

You have precisely summed up the conundrum: Why should upsampling work at all? This is a matter of extreme controversy on Internet chat groups, where the sides usually consist of those who haven’t listened for themselves and insist that theoretically it can’t make a difference, and those who have listened and report that they have heard a significant difference.

I have both a Bel Canto and an MSB upsampling converter in house for audition and will be writing at greater length on the subject in the near future. Have I heard a difference in upsampled digital? In a word, yes -- and not where I would have expected the difference (which was in the highs), but in the lower octaves. Having heard my favorite piano recordings through an upsampling converter, I don’t want to go back.

But as I said -- that’s another story to be told on another day.

ATB...Wes


June 11, 2000

Subject: Upgrading speakers and amplifiers

I just found the website, it's great. I will keep coming back.

I am considering upgrading some of my equipment after being out of the "consumer chain" for many years. Currently I have a Meridian 506 CD player, a Michelle Syncro turntable with Helius Aureus arm and Meridian M33 speakers. One dealer has advised I to listen to Jamo Concert 11 speakers (not sure what amp -- but it is a valve amp) and another has said they are nice but you can’t drive them hard and has recommended B&W 802 or 803 Nautilus-series speakers with an Electrocompaniet amp.

Would you have any thoughts on these combinations or could you suggest any other set-ups that would be worthwhile listening to? My musical tastes cover everything from rock, classical, jazz, blues. I live in Brisbane, Australia, so a lot of the specialist US/European equipment can be hard to find.

I look forward to your reply.

Frank

Dear Frank:

I used to work as a hi-fi salesman and even the honest ones such as I was tend to overstate differences between products -- especially the ones they don’t carry. I haven’t lived with the Jamo Concert 11s, but I’ve certainly heard them set up well. And I’ve heard the Nautilus 802 and Nautilus 803 sing pretty well for their suppers, too -- generally with fairly substantial solid-state amps, I might add.

Which brings me to my only real comment to your letter -- I’m surprised I don’t see any of the great Australian or New Zealand companies included in your list of choices. Given what importers have to add to the price of a product, I would expect that some of the local gear, such as Plinius, might be a more cost-effective choice for amplification. Their SA-50 mk.II was as impressive as any US gear I’ve auditioned and I would expect you’d reap the benefits of proximity.

ATB...Wes


June 11, 2000

Subject: Amp for Magnepan MMG speakers?

I am a musician and a new audiophile who is on a school teacher's budget. I am using a NAD 314 amp with my MMG speakers and I would like to go to a tube amp that would give me a more "musical" sound. Can you give some suggestions as to what amps might work or where I might be able to acquire the knowledge to make an informed decision? By the way, I am an amateur radio operator who would not object to a amp kit.

Thanks,

Jim

Dear Jim:

I too am looking for a good tube amp kit, but other than a few SE triode designs, which would be totally unsuitable for the Maggies, I haven’t really found anything. Heck, I’m also looking for a good 5W guitar practice amp kit, which isn’t all that easy to find either.

As affordable solid-state amps go, I’d think the NAD would be a particularly good match to the MMGs. Tube amps such as the Conrad-Johnson MV-55 ($1995) (or a used MV-50 for that matter) can be found for a good price and would sound fantastic. Other choices might include the Anthem Amp One ($1299), AudioPrism Debut Mk.II ($2495), or the 40W Jadis Ochestre integrated ($2495).

ATB...Wes


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